The Podcast channel is given the name, “Pandemic Zen” and the general theme of using mindfulness to deal with real-life adversity. Paul explains the Zen phrase, “Jumping on the back of the horse thief’s horse” to describe methods of intentionally turning the concept of meaning to one’s advantage in exploring an underlying truth. We contrast being caught by thinking with mindfulness of the very sensation of thinking. Using an insight, “This has no meaning and I don’t have to understand it.”


Recorded by:
Paul Gerstein, MD

Podcast channel creation and website design:
James Kieffer –

Intro music:
Dancing for the Answers, Nick Mulvey

Ending music:
Riders On The Storm, The Doors